Legislature(1999 - 2000)

03/31/1999 01:18 PM House RES

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HB 131 - ANCHORAGE COASTAL WILDLIFE REFUGE                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
CO-CHAIR OGAN announced that the first item of business would be                                                                
House Bill No. 131, "An Act relating to public rights-of-way and                                                                
easements for surface transportation across the Anchorage Coastal                                                               
Wildlife Refuge."  Co-Chair Ogan acknowledged that there wasn't a                                                               
quorum yet, but he said they could take testimony.                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
Number 0142                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
JEFFREY LOGAN, Legislative Assistant to Representative Joe Green,                                                               
Alaska State Legislature, explained HB 131 on behalf of the                                                                     
sponsor, saying that it simply returns to the legislature the                                                                   
authority to approve surface transportation rights-of-way and                                                                   
easements in the Anchorage Coastal Wildlife Refuge (ACWR).  The                                                                 
bill was introduced at the request of a number of Representative                                                                
Green's constituents and others in South Anchorage who have an                                                                  
interest in protecting the habitat values in the refuge.  Noting                                                                
that some people have drawn parallels between HB 131 and a proposed                                                             
extension of the Anchorage coastal trail, Mr. Logan assured the                                                                 
committee that the bill's scope is far broader than one project.                                                                
He said the sponsor would like the record to reflect that the route                                                             
for the proposed extension isn't even scheduled to be selected for                                                              
another year and a half, to be followed by an extensive                                                                         
environmental study that may or may not impact the selection of the                                                             
route.                                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
MR. LOGAN pointed out that there are two possibilities:  a coastal                                                              
route or an inland route.  If the route selected is inland, HB 131                                                              
would have no effect.  If, however, the route selected for the                                                                  
trail is along the coastline, HB 131 would simply allow the                                                                     
legislature to approve, in the refuge that they had created, the                                                                
final right-of-way or easement for that alignment, which the                                                                    
sponsor believes is entirely appropriate.                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
Number 0362                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE BARNES asked Mr. Logan to provide the committee with                                                             
evidence, for the record, of why this wouldn't be considered local                                                              
or special legislation.                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
The teleconference operator noted that only the Anchorage                                                                       
Legislative Information Office (LIO) was on-line.                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
Number 0557                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
JEFF LOWENFELS testified via teleconference from Anchorage.  A                                                                  
garden columnist for the local newspaper, he is a past president of                                                             
the Garden Writers of America, a past president of the Alaska                                                                   
Botanical Garden, and a current board member of the National                                                                    
Arboretum in Washington, D.C.  Mr. Lowenfels stated that he                                                                     
supports HB 131, which would add a layer of protection for what he                                                              
believes to be a state refuge.  He has lived on the bluff for about                                                             
15 years.  The tidal salt marsh is unique; there is nothing like it                                                             
in Anchorage, from either the perspective of fauna or                                                                           
horticultural, and it is extremely fragile.  He believes it is not                                                              
well-understood by even the people who live along the bluff.                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MR. LOWENFELS told members that any diking or heavy traffic                                                                     
associated with a trail system would impact the very delicate marsh                                                             
hydrology that enables the plants there to survive, which in turn                                                               
support the wildlife.  The Anchorage Daily News has pointed out in                                                              
numerous articles how unique this area is in Anchorage.  This bill                                                              
will protect its fragility, although it will not prevent people                                                                 
from going into the marsh, walking around, or taking the time to                                                                
see what is there.  Mr. Lowenfels indicated HB 131 will prevent a                                                               
situation where, without very careful consideration by the                                                                      
legislature, a coastal trail might be created to the other side of                                                              
Anchorage, a very different kind of habitat.                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Number 0782                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
WAYNE PICHON testified via teleconference from Anchorage, noting                                                                
that he is a 20-plus-year resident of Anchorage who lives with his                                                              
family along the refuge.  The former coastal zone management                                                                    
coordinator for the federal government in Alaska, he has advanced                                                               
degrees in wetlands ecology and has authored numerous publications                                                              
on the subject.  In 1982, he was an author of the original                                                                      
Anchorage wetlands plan.  Furthermore, in 1978, he co-authored what                                                             
he called the definitive study of the plants of the refuge.  Mr.                                                                
Pichon stated:                                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
     As a wetlands scientist, please hear me when I say to you that                                                             
     a surface intrusion into that refuge will inextricably harm                                                                
     the plants that live there.  The plants in that environment                                                                
     are unique to Anchorage.  They are fragile and do not tolerate                                                             
     even the slightest changes in elevation or salinity.  An East                                                              
     Coast wetland, with a plethora of species (indisc.--poor                                                                   
     teleconference sound) should the normal (indisc.) pattern be                                                               
     altered.  Interfere with the refuge and you will lose the                                                                  
     plants that support the wildlife that people clamor to enjoy.                                                              
                                                                                                                                
     In the 20 years since I completed my original work, numerous                                                               
     changes have occurred within the refuge.  Notable is the                                                                   
     damage done by various manmade alterations.  We now have                                                                   
     documented that serious detrimental changes to the refuge                                                                  
     habitat are occurring as a result of previous activities.  I                                                               
     believe your proposed bill sends a strong message to those who                                                             
     would otherwise advocate the alteration of Anchorage's crown                                                               
     jewel.  That message is that even activities such as increased                                                             
     recreational pursuit will not be tolerated if the result is                                                                
     damage to the refuge.                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
Number 0950                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
CO-CHAIR OGAN apologized to those who had been unable to testify at                                                             
the previously scheduled hearing.                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
Number 0976                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
RANDALL HOFFBECK, Parks and Beautification Manager, Municipality of                                                             
Anchorage, testified via teleconference in opposition to HB 131.                                                                
He explained that the language in this bill will effectively                                                                    
eliminate an option for the alignment of a south extension of the                                                               
coastal trail from Kincaid to Potter Marsh.  This will occur at the                                                             
very time that the public involvement process for this trail is                                                                 
getting underway.  It seems premature to consider this legislation,                                                             
when an open house to introduce a public involvement plan is                                                                    
scheduled that very day; this public involvement process is                                                                     
intended to bring together all interested parties to determine the                                                              
guidelines that will be used in deciding the proper location for                                                                
this trail.                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
MR. HOFFBECK pointed out that although the potential alignments for                                                             
this trail have yet to be developed, the potential for a trail in                                                               
the wildlife refuge has been debated and institutionalized in                                                                   
virtually every major planning document for the last 20 years.  It                                                              
appeared in the Anchorage coastal management plan, which was                                                                    
adopted in concept by the Municipality of Anchorage in 1979, with                                                               
final approval given by the state legislature in March of 1980.                                                                 
This plan allowed for the local government to develop and implement                                                             
its own programs to suit local needs.  Noting that the ACWR was                                                                 
created by the legislature in 1988, Mr. Hoffbeck said that after                                                                
significant public input the ACWR management plan was published by                                                              
the Alaska Department of Fish and Game (ADF&G) in 1991; that plan                                                               
allowed that, under certain conditions, coastal trail access may be                                                             
allowed within the refuge.  This was further institutionalized in                                                               
the Anchorage areawide trails plan, which after years of public                                                                 
process reiterated the potential for a coastal trail existing                                                                   
within the ACWR.                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
MR. HOFFBECK told members that it is clear from these planning                                                                  
documents, developed with significant public input, that the public                                                             
expects that this potential alignment should be considered.  He                                                                 
further emphasized that even without legislature approval the state                                                             
already has a significant input in the final disposition of a trail                                                             
within the refuge.  Under the ACWR management plan, the siting,                                                                 
design and construction of a trail within the refuge will require                                                               
a special area permit from the ADF&G.  In addition, as a                                                                        
requirement of the federal funding for this project, the ADF&G must                                                             
concur with any alignment plan that would cross refuge land.  When                                                              
this is combined with the other local, state and federal agencies                                                               
that have management responsibilities on refuge lands, it seems                                                                 
unnecessary to add legislative approval to the process.                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
MR. HOFFBECK concluded that HB 131 will not establish additional                                                                
protection for the ACWR, as that protection already exists.  It                                                                 
will only serve to nullify the years of effort put into a local                                                                 
planning process and circumvent, among other documents, the current                                                             
ACWR management plan and the Anchorage areawide trails plan.                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Number 1224                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
CO-CHAIR OGAN stated that under the constitution, the ultimate                                                                  
management responsibility for the lands falls with the legislature,                                                             
and particularly with this committee, although the legislature may                                                              
delegate that authority through statutes, for example.                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
Number 1279                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
LORVEL SHIELDS testified via teleconference from Anchorage in                                                                   
support of HB 131 on behalf of the Bayshore/Klatt Community                                                                     
Council, as well as himself and "the thousands of critters whose                                                                
lives depend on the continued existence of an intact and unsullied                                                              
Anchorage Coastal Wildlife Refuge."  He said he is well-qualified                                                               
to testify on this subject.  He moved to Alaska in 1953 and has                                                                 
been visiting the refuge intermittently since 1955.  He has a                                                                   
doctorate in biology, with expertise in behavioral ecology.  For                                                                
the last 12 years, his home has been on the bluff immediately                                                                   
adjacent to the refuge.  He has spent thousands of hours in the                                                                 
refuge observing the animals and their behavior.  On his own                                                                    
initiative, he has taken hundreds of interested persons - ranging                                                               
from kindergartners to graduate classes - into the refuge.  As a                                                                
result, he is very familiar with many details of the marsh,                                                                     
including the physical environment, as well as the animals that                                                                 
live there and how they react to disturbances.                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
DR. SHIELDS told members that, based upon his observations in the                                                               
marsh, there are two things of which he is certain.  First, any                                                                 
structure built in the ACWR that is massive enough and strong                                                                   
enough to withstand the wind, tides and other hard conditions will                                                              
of necessity disrupt the drainage to a degree that the existing                                                                 
ecosystems will be compromised.  Second, the birds that nest in the                                                             
refuge have only a few days each year to court, breed and raise                                                                 
their young; they are extremely sensitive to disturbance.  For                                                                  
example, last year he did a series of informal experiments to                                                                   
determine the sensitively of a pair of nesting sandhill cranes to                                                               
human disturbance.  At over 150 yards, the cranes reacted to him by                                                             
abandoning their feeding and walking their chick back to heavy                                                                  
cover; this was the same way that they responded to bald eagles and                                                             
a coyote.                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
DR. SHIELDS pointed out that the ACWR is the last sizable                                                                       
relatively undisturbed habitat left in Anchorage.  The fact that                                                                
most of it is a tidal salt marsh enhances its environmental value.                                                              
He concluded, "It would be a total betrayal of our responsibility                                                               
as stewards not to preserve this legacy.  There are other places                                                                
where a transportation corridor can be located, but there is only                                                               
one Anchorage Coastal Wildlife Refuge.  Just remember:  If it goes,                                                             
it will be gone forever."                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
Number 1463                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
DAVE CARTER testified via teleconference from Anchorage, noting                                                                 
that his home is also on the bluff, where he has lived since 1993.                                                              
He spoke in support of HB 131, telling members that the ACWR is a                                                               
wonderful public resource.  Very few areas remain in the Anchorage                                                              
bowl where wildlife can go with limited disturbance from humans;                                                                
while that is particularly true for migratory waterfowl, it is also                                                             
true for other animals.  The bowl continues to be developed, and                                                                
there is little open space.  As far as he knows, the ACWR is the                                                                
only saltwater marsh of its type in Alaska.                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
MR. CARTER referred to testimony that indicated HB 131 would                                                                    
eliminate certain options.  He said he doesn't read the bill that                                                               
way; he believes it simply indicates that the legislature would be                                                              
involved in approving a right-of-way, but that it doesn't eliminate                                                             
rights-of-way.  As time goes on, he believes the public will                                                                    
realize what a wonderful resource the refuge is, and they will                                                                  
prefer that it not be developed.  He noted that it is accessible in                                                             
winter to skiers, and in summer to hikers.  In addition, it is                                                                  
accessible to the public as a view shed along the bluff.                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
MR. CARTER expressed his understanding that the ADF&G has indicated                                                             
they aren't interested in issuing a permit - and will not issue a                                                               
permit - for certain alignments within the wetlands through the                                                                 
coastal wildlife refuge.  He said, "I'm not sure what the concern                                                               
is about transferring approval authority from an agency which has                                                               
already indicated it will not issue a permit to go through a                                                                    
particular area to the legislature, which has not spoken on the                                                                 
topic.  I would actually prefer that there be a concurrence between                                                             
state agencies and the legislature before any right-of-way is                                                                   
approved."                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
Number 1646                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
DOUG PERKINS, President, Bayshore/Klatt Community Council,                                                                      
testified via teleconference from Anchorage, noting that the                                                                    
council, which represents one of the largest geographic districts                                                               
in the Anchorage bowl, officially favors passage of HB 131; in                                                                  
their view, it adds a layer of state governmental protection before                                                             
development of any type of surface transportation can occur in the                                                              
ACWR.  He said the research would bear out that this is a state                                                                 
refuge, not municipal land, which is why the legislature created it                                                             
initially, out of its own land, and why the state agencies until                                                                
now have had sole oversight.  He stated, "The municipality may have                                                             
planned on putting a trail on state land, but of course that's up                                                               
to the state."                                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
MR. PERKINS said he is assuming, like Mr. Carter, that there will                                                               
be - at the very least - informal or formal agency concurrence with                                                             
any type of permit that is granted for surface transportation in                                                                
the refuge.  The other layers that until now have had sole                                                                      
oversight are the ADF&G and the Department of Natural Resources                                                                 
(DNR); the ADF&G has already disapproved, at the very least, the                                                                
only form of surface transportation proposed thus far, a bike trail                                                             
in the area from Spyglass Circle all the way to Potter Flats.                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
MR. PERKINS suggested that the testimony of the municipal parks                                                                 
manager makes it sound as if there are sufficient state protections                                                             
already in place.  Mr. Perkins noted that those protections are the                                                             
ADF&G and the DNR, and he said the ADF&G had already vetoed a bike                                                              
trail in this refuge.  Since the body with - up until now - sole                                                                
oversight of the refuge has disapproved the proposed type of                                                                    
transportation, he believes that underscores the fact that this is                                                              
an area of extreme sensitivity which deserves extreme measures of                                                               
protection.  It necessarily follows that the legislature and this                                                               
committee are absolutely justified in imposing this expanded layer                                                              
of protection that his organization believes will be afforded by HB
131.  The council encourages its passage.                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
Number 1869                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
DEANNA ESSERT, Sand Lake Community Council (SLCC), testified via                                                                
teleconference from Anchorage, saying she would like to address her                                                             
remarks to Representatives Green and Bunde, and that she wished to                                                              
submit a resolution supporting the preservation of the refuge that                                                              
was passed by the SLCC in May 1998.  She had served as the                                                                      
Anchorage Metropolitan Area Transportation Study (AMATS)                                                                        
representative for the SLCC.  She assured members that the SLCC and                                                             
those in the Sand Lake area wish to reserve and preserve the refuge                                                             
for the wildlife and as a unique salt marsh environment.                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
Number 1946                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
DAVE ADAMS, Member, Anchorage Fish and Game Advisory Committee,                                                                 
testified via teleconference from Anchorage.   He told members that                                                             
for more than three years he has been a member of the advisory                                                                  
committee, which was established by the legislature to act in an                                                                
advisory role to the Board of Fisheries and the Board of Game.                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
MR. ADAMS told members that the issue of development in the ACWR                                                                
has been discussed by the advisory committee on numerous occasions,                                                             
and they have taken formal action, in the form of a resolution, for                                                             
the purpose of preservation of the marsh from any kind of                                                                       
incursion; that is a high priority for the advisory committee.  Mr.                                                             
Adams referred to the SLCC resolution for preservation of the                                                                   
marsh; he pointed out that the Bayshore/Klatt Community Council had                                                             
enacted, by an overwhelming margin, a similar resolution after                                                                  
multiple public meetings on the issue of development in the marsh.                                                              
                                                                                                                                
Number 2031                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
CO-CHAIR OGAN noted that there was now a quorum.                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
Number 2068                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
ROD ARNO, President, Alaska Outdoor Council (AOC), came forward.                                                                
A statewide organization of hunters, fishermen and sportsmen                                                                    
concerned with critical habitat in Alaska, the AOC supports HB 131,                                                             
he said, and previously has supported and worked on creating                                                                    
refuges within the state.  They believe that all habitat in Alaska                                                              
is critical enough for them to be involved with it.  He referred to                                                             
the extra layer of protection and noted that the AOC worked                                                                     
previously to create the McNeil refuge, for example, which                                                                      
preserved critical habitat for brown bear; even so, recently a                                                                  
"trespass lodge" was starting to get permission from the DNR and                                                                
the ADF&G to remain in that refuge.  These are just the kinds of                                                                
issues that concern the AOC; when legislation is created intending                                                              
to protect critical habitat, that should be the case.  They support                                                             
the legislature's having authority to make sure those things don't                                                              
occur in the future.                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
Number 2226                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
GERON BRUCE, Legislative Liaison, Office of the Commissioner,                                                                   
Alaska Department of Fish and Game (ADF&G), came forward to testify                                                             
in opposition to HB 131.  He began by assuring the committee and                                                                
the public that the ADF&G places as high a value on preserving the                                                              
coastal refuge in Anchorage as do all the testifiers that day.  He                                                              
noted that the refuge was created by the legislature, and its                                                                   
purposes were established in statute, and then the management of                                                                
the refuge was delegated to the ADF&G by the legislature,                                                                       
consistent with the department's statutory authority; the ADF&G has                                                             
managed the refuge under that authority since it was created.                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
MR. BRUCE told members that the ADF&G opposes HB 131, however, and                                                              
the reason has to do with process.  They believe this is a                                                                      
management issue.  The refuges are multiple-use; the legislature                                                                
set them up that way to encourage and allow the public to have                                                                  
maximum access and enjoyment of the refuge, as long as those                                                                    
activities are consistent its basic purposes:  to protect the fish                                                              
and wildlife, and the habitat upon which they depend, and to                                                                    
provide the use and enjoyment of those resources by the public.                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
MR. BRUCE noted that the three major urban refuges in Alaska - in                                                               
Fairbanks, Juneau and Anchorage - do provide access.  The one in                                                                
Anchorage has a boardwalk on it, and there have been discussions                                                                
about various options for extending that boardwalk or providing                                                                 
additional ways for people to enjoy it.  The one in Juneau has a                                                                
trail on it, and the one in Fairbanks has a trail system.  These                                                                
trails are multiple-use.  The uses were all developed through an                                                                
agency planning process involving the public, local government and                                                              
the agency.  The ADF&G believes that is the way that the                                                                        
legislature intended the process to go.                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
MR. BRUCE told members, "We don't think that you want to be                                                                     
involved in each and every decision about a particular access                                                                   
route; you have delegated that ... to the department, and we take                                                               
our responsibilities very seriously to manage those refuges                                                                     
consistent with the purposes you established for them, and in line                                                              
with our other statutes."  He said that is essentially the reason                                                               
for their opposition; the ADF&G believes they have a process in                                                                 
place that allows for these kind of decisions to be made, under the                                                             
general guidance that the legislature has given them.  He                                                                       
concluded, "We think that process allows the maximum opportunity                                                                
for local, affected people to be involved, as well as agencies and                                                              
others.  And as far as any particular discussion of a trail or a                                                                
route or a particular corridor, ... that's really not entering as                                                               
a factor in our opposition to the bill."                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
Number 2415                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE BARNES pointed out that no legislature can tie a                                                                 
future legislature's hands, and no management authority is in                                                                   
perpetuity.  She asked Mr. Bruce whether he had seen the map                                                                    
titled, "Fire Island Transportation and Utility Corridor," in                                                                   
committee packets.                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
MR. BRUCE said no; he was promptly provided a copy by the committee                                                             
aide.                                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE BARNES asked whether her understanding is correct                                                                
that HB 131 would in no way affect that corridor "too far out."                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
MR. BRUCE replied, "I don't believe so.  I think the sponsor has                                                                
indicated ... that it would not, and that's my reading of the bill:                                                             
It does not affect it."                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE BARNES emphasized the importance of the right-of-way                                                             
to Fire Island, stating her belief that Fire Island has tremendous                                                              
potential for the future of Anchorage and the surrounding area.                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
Number 2530                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE JOULE referred to the one-page map in packets                                                                    
titled, "Anchorage Coastal Wildlife Refuge - Major Public Access                                                                
Points."  Noting that a section within the refuge has had coastal                                                               
trails for a while, he asked whether those have had any negative                                                                
impacts.  He specified that he was talking about the area between                                                               
points 8 and 9 on the map, between Point Campbell and Point                                                                     
Woronzof, coming around the end of the Anchorage International                                                                  
Airport.                                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE BARNES said she believes that is the "Tony Knowles                                                               
Trail."                                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
MR. BRUCE said he isn't clear whether that is a proposed route or                                                               
an existing one.  He then stated, "I'm not aware of any negative                                                                
impacts on the refuge from the existing trail or the boardwalk. ...                                                             
I did hear someone testify, in the public testimony, about some                                                                 
degradation occurring, but ... he didn't specify exactly what he                                                                
was referring to, and I wasn't aware of it."                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Number 2650                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE JOULE said he wonders whether there were similar                                                                 
concerns about that trail, and how those played out.                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
MR. BRUCE deferred to Representative Barnes.                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE BARNES recalled that there were lots of concerns,                                                                
but primarily, she believes, they were about the amount of money                                                                
per mile going into the coastal trail - something like $3 million                                                               
per mile, as well as the potential length.                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
Number 2724                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
DENNIS POSHARD, Legislative Liaison/Special Assistant, Office of                                                                
the Commissioner, Department of Transportation and Public                                                                       
Facilities (DOT/PF), came forward to testify in opposition to HB
131.  He first stated that the department is very sensitive to the                                                              
concerns expressed by previous testifiers.  He noted that the                                                                   
DOT/PF, in conjunction with the Anchorage Municipal Area                                                                        
Transportation Study (AMATS), has a project in the environmental                                                                
document stage that will be directly affected by the passage of HB
131.  That project, the Anchorage coastal trail southern extension                                                              
being developed by AMATS, is significant to both the department and                                                             
AMATS because it is the "missing link between trails headed north                                                               
out of Anchorage, on the Glenn and Parks Highways, and south out of                                                             
Anchorage on the Seward Highway."                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
MR. POSHARD said the planning process is currently underway to                                                                  
consider how to extend the coastal trail from the Kincaid Park                                                                  
shelter to the south end of the Potter Marsh.  A public meeting has                                                             
been scheduled for that very night to discuss the project statement                                                             
and purpose of need, as well as the public involvement process that                                                             
will be followed; that public involvement process will bring                                                                    
together all of the interested parties, to develop the guidelines                                                               
to be used to determine the full range of alternatives for locating                                                             
the trail.                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
MR. POSHARD said although potential trail alignments have not yet                                                               
been developed, the potential for some of the coastal trail                                                                     
extension to be located in the ACWR has been noted in major                                                                     
planning documents developed during the last 20 years, including                                                                
the Anchorage coastal management plan, the ACWR management plan,                                                                
and the Anchorage areawide trails plan.  These planning documents                                                               
were developed with significant public, local and state government                                                              
involvement.  Mr. Poshard stated:                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
     The Anchorage Coastal Wildlife Refuge management plan was                                                                  
     published by the Alaska Department of Fish and Game, and                                                                   
     states that, "Coastal trail access may be allowed within the                                                               
     refuge where disturbance to ... fish and wildlife populations                                                              
     and their habitat is avoided; where safety considerations and                                                              
     conflicts to existing refuge uses, including waterfowl hunting                                                             
     and rifle range use, allow; and where compatible with                                                                      
     management of ... refuge public access points and the goals of                                                             
     this management plan.  The siting design and construction of                                                               
     a trail within any part of the Anchorage Coastal Wildlife                                                                  
     Refuge would require a special area permit from the Alaska                                                                 
     Department of Fish and Game."                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
MR. POSHARD pointed out that federal funding is being used for the                                                              
coastal trail extension project.  The use of federal funds requires                                                             
that the project environmental process be in conformance with NEPA                                                              
[National Environmental Policy Act], to ensure local, state and                                                                 
federal agency involvement.  This project is being developed                                                                    
through a "404 NEPA merger agreement, which was created to ensure                                                               
early coordination with the resource agencies."  He said the effect                                                             
of HB 131 would be to add an approval step to the project process,                                                              
if some portion of the trail is proposed to be located in the                                                                   
wildlife refuge.                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE BARNES asked, "The federal highway funds that you're                                                             
now using for coastal trails, are you up to 20 percent of the                                                                   
federal highway funds now?"                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
MR. POSHARD answered that he doesn't know exactly what percentage                                                               
they are using for trails, although they are required to be                                                                     
spending, he believes, 10 percent of the federal highway funds for                                                              
enhancement projects, not just for trails but also for other types                                                              
of enhancements.                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE BARNES asked Mr. Poshard to check to see whether the                                                             
department had now gone beyond the 10 percent to 20 percent.  She                                                               
indicated more money should be used for roads.                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
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MR. POSHARD concluded by saying the DOT/PF opposes HB 131 for four                                                              
reasons:  1) there is already an adequate public process in place                                                               
for dealing with the concerns expressed; 2) the department and                                                                  
AMATS have just begun this planning process for extending the                                                                   
trail; 3) should the coastal route be chosen and the legislature                                                                
not give approval, there will be a significant amount of money                                                                  
expended in the environmental process for naught; and 4) the                                                                    
legislature ultimately has oversight over whether a trail gets                                                                  
built [in terms of the budget process].                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
TAPE 99-22, SIDE B                                                                                                              
Number 2957 [Numbers run backwards because of tape recorder]                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CO-CHAIR OGAN closed testimony on HB 131.                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
MR. LOGAN responded to Representative Barnes' earlier question by                                                               
saying, "I have checked with the drafters and the revisor, and they                                                             
state that because no other general Act could be used, we do meet                                                               
constitutional requirements on Article II, Section 19, provisions."                                                             
                                                                                                                                
Number 2935                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE BARNES made a motion to move HB 131 out of committee                                                             
with individual recommendations and accompanying fiscal notes; she                                                              
asked unanimous consent.                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
Number 2925                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE JOULE objected.  He noted that some legislation                                                                  
moves projects from the state level to the local level, so that                                                                 
decisions can be made locally.  He asked whether this would have to                                                             
come back before the legislature, and whether it takes that                                                                     
authority from the community.                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
CO-CHAIR OGAN said it is just on establishing the right-of-way.                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE KAPSNER said it seems to have a lot to do with                                                                   
community affairs and municipalities.  She recommended that it be                                                               
referred to the House Community and Regional Affairs Standing                                                                   
Committee, as well.                                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
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REPRESENTATIVE BARNES responded that because this deals with a park                                                             
created by the legislature, it doesn't fall within the purview of                                                               
community oversight.  She added, "While they can have due process                                                               
through hearings, if they so choose, only the state has oversight                                                               
over this, not communities."                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CO-CHAIR OGAN verified that Representative Joule maintained his                                                                 
objection; he then requested a roll call vote.  Voting to move HB
131 from committee were Representatives Barnes, Morgan, Harris,                                                                 
Whitaker and Ogan.  Voting against it were Representatives Joule                                                                
and Kapsner.  Therefore, HB 131 moved from the House Resources                                                                  
Standing Committee by a vote of 5-2.                                                                                            

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